CoH:

[~VanMavus]

I took your advice Tuppy, I got it... installing now.

On another note I got new internet (yay 150kb/s ! Seems so big compared to my old 27kb/s =D) and the L4D Demo is awesome-o.

[TerranUp16]

Nice- now go beat the campaigns and play some Skirmishes and then we'll hop on Relic Online.

[~VanMavus]

Installed. Loving it. Hate the f***ing krauts though... at least when I'm America .

Oi oi, how do you play skirmishes as the Nazis? I can't figure out what to click to change teams .

[TerranUp16]

You just click on the slot where the computer is and move yourself there.

[~VanMavus]

WTH... they like don't once use the Nazi symbol ... that's like... wierd.

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:WTH... they like don't once use the Nazi symbol ... that's like... wierd.

Not really... Considering that use of the Swastika is banned in Germany and viewed highly unfavorably across the world. And the iron cross more than suffices. Additionally, Relic was not intent on showcasing the Germans as the Evil Nazi's but rather was more interested in showing them in a light that reflected extreme military strength that stemmed from humane but misguided people/soldiers. Displaying the Swastika would instantly instantly annihilate such an attempt.

[~VanMavus]

No... not everyone views the Swastika as a symbol of hatred... I see it is as a symbol of peace and love. (Buddhism - in case any of you think I'm a Nazi =.=)

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:No... not everyone views the Swastika as a symbol of hatred... I see it is as a symbol of peace and love. (Buddhism - in case any of you think I'm a Nazi =.=)

... Attributing the Swastika to Buddhism is contextual. A Swastika in tandem with Nazis contextually refers to the Nazi Swastika, which itself is the single greatest symbol of the Holocaust which, as you'll recall, resulted in the GENOCIDE of over 6 million Jews who did... absolutely nothing to deserve such a fate.

[~VanMavus]

4 million Jews I believe, I still think they should've used the Swastika (and the American flag at least once.... somewhere...).

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:4 million Jews I believe, I still think they should've used the Swastika (and the American flag at least once.... somewhere...).

It was mother effing 6 million... Go look it up before you start spouting shit like that.

As for the American part, it was just Germans vs. Allies in vanilla CoH. The Allies only became the Americans when they added the British in Opposing Fronts.

[~VanMavus]

=/ 4 million died in death camps, plus these are estimates so you can never be truly accurate.

Quote:The number of people killed at the major extermination camps is estimated as follows:

Auschwitz-Birkenau: 1.4 million; Belzec: 600,000; Chelmno: 320,000; Majdanek: 360,000; Maly Trostinets: 65,000; Sobibór: 250,000; and Treblinka: 870,000.

This gives a total of over 3.8 million;

Also, 30.9% of the German army was killed... 5.5 million military deaths and over 1.6 million civillian. Even with your estimates that's more then the Jews... so the Germans were victims.

(xD -no not really; although some of them were... like the SA (not the SS (can't do the little runic S's))).

[TerranUp16]

If you're going to quote a source you *might* want to attribute the source.

[~VanMavus]

... That's the deaths in extermination camps; and they're probably a little better then accurate because of records kept; the ones killed in the streets might make 2 million but I have some doubts about the numbers .

I want to see a Soviet Campaign; the battle on the Eastern Front, you know... umm... the Vistula-Oder Offensive... and the liberation of (what was left at (*cough*... they were sent on Death Marches way earlier)) Auschwitz.


**That and I personally agree with many of the views of the National Socialist Movement (not the anti-Semitism =.=)**

I would like to see a different take on the WW2 idea; an "alternate past" per se; where the Nazi Regime wins the war ending in the surrender of the U.S, Australia, Soviet Russia, Britian, Poland (etc.). Move forward to today where Jews have been decimated, secret police (Gestapo) control the world and small uprisings in less controlled countries (eg. Africa - where Hitler thought the people were sub-human) vs The Aryan Race.... anyway now I'm rambling. I just love the idea of modern day Nazism (not irl).

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:I would like to see a different take on the WW2 idea; an "alternate past" per se; where the Nazi Regime wins the war ending in the surrender of the U.S, Australia, Soviet Russia, Britian, Poland (etc.). Move forward to today where Jews have been decimated, secret police (Gestapo) control the world and small uprisings in less controlled countries (eg. Africa - where Hitler thought the people were sub-human) vs The Aryan Race.... anyway now I'm rambling. I just love the idea of modern day Nazism (not irl).

There are already such games (well, not exactly like that, but there are alternate past games where the Germans win...) but CoH isn't going to be one of them. Its focus is on realism.

VanMavus Wrote:... That's the deaths in extermination camps; and they're probably a little better then accurate because of records kept; the ones killed in the streets might make 2 million but I have some doubts about the numbers .

I'm sure the Nazis ensured that they kept extremely detailed records of how many prisoners they gassed and tossed in pits and crap... What, seriously, is the point of arguing this? Most sources show that at least 6 million Jews were killed as a result of WW2 (and I'm not just talking about the death camps; speaking of those accurate records, I'm also sure the Nazis kept amazing records of how many died on the way to the death camps... effin' seriously...) so either way it was genocide on a massive scale... Just leave it at that...

[~VanMavus]

At any rate; if Hitler hadn't spent so much money and manpower trying to breed his pure race he could very well have won the war.

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:At any rate; if Hitler hadn't spent so much money and manpower trying to breed his pure race he could very well have won the war.

Or if he hadn't assaulted the Eastern Front as early as he did. Hitler effed-up in so many places it's insane.

[~VanMavus]

Looking back on it you say that; but what would you have done? The entire world threatening your conquests a single nation inspired beyond caring for other humans (*cough*)...

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:Looking back on it you say that; but what would you have done? The entire world threatening your conquests a single nation inspired beyond caring for other humans (*cough*)...

Russia, even more so than the US, was content to stay neutral. Germany and Russia actually had a cease-fire agreement in place. Furthermore, Hitler's generals advised him to wait and hold-off the invasion- to finish the western front before opening another. Also consider how much the invasion of Russia affected the war in North Africa- Tigers and Panzer IV's and Panthers ran out of fuel on both the North African and Eastern Fronts because of the Germans' failure on the North African front.

Really, until Hitler attacked Russia, the Russians had no real interest in getting involved in the war at that point, and once the Germans committed to the Eastern Front they tied-down a huge majority of their armor and a hefty amount of their troops for... naught really. The Eastern Front was the single biggest mistake Hitler made, but also halting aircraft R+D for almost three years was a grievous mistake and then when they finally did bring their aircraft R+D back online they scattered their efforts all over the place instead of focusing them...

But anyway, there were numerous, hubris-related mistakes that Hitler and his generals (particularly the commander of the Luftwaffe- forget his name atm though) made. Another big one was prioritizing the bombing of British civilians/factories instead of military targets and installations.

[~VanMavus]

Meh... if only he'd won the war... it would be a better world today.

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:Meh... if only he'd won the war... it would be a better world today.

... Are you serious?

I mean, he only arbitrarily ordered the genocide of multiple ethnicities, but yeah, I mean, the world would TOTALLY be better if Hitler won because... we'd all be dead? Effin' seriously...

[~VanMavus]

I like your use of the world "all" their... -.-

Not the pure race wouldn't, plus if we all followed the same path and view system there would be no conflict. If only Russia had realized their hate for America sooner...

[TerranUp16]

~VanMavus Wrote:I like your use of the world "all" their... -.-

Not the pure race wouldn't, plus if we all followed the same path and view system there would be no conflict. If only Russia had realized their hate for America sooner...

What are you smoking? People find things that make them difference- that's something you can very easily observe yourself.

[~VanMavus]

True but with the Gestapo still in play everyone would stay in line, and hopefully one of the minorities would have been knocked off (not gonna say which one so I don't offend but i.m.o they need to be outlawed).

That and we can make much more progress as a single nation with internal conflict rather then many nations...